Wednesday, May 25, 2005

He didn't say that did he?

Yesterday Bush made the following comment about Social Security:

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

Karl Rove must have given him that tip.

UPDATE: I guess I'm wrong as Shea points out:

"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success." - excerpt from Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, (1925)

12 Comments:

Blogger DM said...

History has shown that, the more and more and more and more he talks, the less the people believe him.

"The reason I keep saying is that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda is because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."

That was my favorite. After being disproved repeatedly, the rich boys still kept repeating it.

5:45 PM  
Blogger SheaNC said...

"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success." - excerpt from Mein Kampf, by Adolph Hitler, (1925)

8:00 PM  
Blogger mochi said...

Ouch.

6:07 AM  
Blogger DM said...

"Isn't it ironic. Don't you think?"
-Dr. Alanis Morrissette, 1995

8:01 AM  
Blogger DM said...

And as the Nazis did with their Jewish ghettos decades ago, I am waiting for the administration to release propagandist videos of Guantanamo, showing captives running, frolicking, dancing, and laughing among each other and their interrogators- see, it's not bad here like you think, it's happy here! We have daily Koran reading sessions, then we have picnics and we play!

8:05 AM  
Blogger SheaNC said...

Mochi - you would still be right about Rove's coaching. After all, which one of the two, Rove or Bush, is more likely to have read Mein Kampf?

9:47 AM  
Blogger Jack Mercer said...

This seems too much like an orgy for me to participate. ha!

-Jack

7:35 PM  
Blogger SheaNC said...

Step into the light, Jack...

9:46 AM  
Blogger Jack Mercer said...

Ha! I may need to. We're having some interesting goings on here in good 'ol South Carolina. A power struggle within the ranks of the Republican controlled Senate, the Republican Gov and the Senate at odds, Lindsey Graham doing a "Zell Miller" on his fellow Republicans...things mighty exciting these days.

BTW, what do you guys think of political moderates? Do you think like me that they are just liberals who can't make up their minds?

Keep on bloggin'!

-Jack

2:03 PM  
Blogger SheaNC said...

Jack, I am glad you asked that. I believe that moderates have been bashed unfairly for years. It's strange, too, because for as long as I can remember it has been a wise old saying: "moderation in all things" was the key to a healthy, happy, productive life. To be moderate was to be sensible and realistic, as well as smart. It meant you took the time to consider all sides of an issue and reached an informed decision accordingly. Those who call moderates "wishy-washy" or "indecisive" are only reacting to those instances when the moderate's opinion does not match theirs. When it does match theirs, they simply redefine the moderate as being on their side. Contrary to popular definition, moderates do make up their minds, but they have minds of their own and need not stick to party-line talking points.

Now, the bloggers I have debated would probably disagree with my next statement, but until fairly recently, I was always considered a political moderate. In general, I have always been socially liberal and fiscally conservative, but more centrist than anything else. I always called myself a "pluralist" because I was a registered independent who could pick and choose what I thought were the best ideas from all ideologies. I believed (and still do) that adhering to one party line is too limiting in the real world, where there are too many unpredictable variables that don't fit the mold of political theory.

However, the mainstream has now been usurped by political extemeists. Those of us who were once moderate now appear to be extremists in comparison. And, if we point out the extremists' extremism, we are called "wackos." So be it. As I said before, it's a no-win situation when you're a moderate, because you are alternately opposing one side or the other all the time.

1:27 AM  
Blogger DM said...

off the subject but very interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050529/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq

"The four-star general said the U.S. military had detained more than 68,000 people since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and investigated 325 complaints of mistreatment. Investigations have found 100 cases of prisoner mistreatment and 100 people have been punished, Myers said."

Really, how have they been punished? What was that punishment? How come this was not reported? And still, given that this was a crime committed on U.S. soil, this 9/11 that bullshitedly has been stated as being unpreventable, why have they still not been tried for their crimes? I dont give a shit that this is a "different kind of war." It is because we have said it is, that is the only reason. War is war, fucking period. Is it even more severe than Adolf Hitler trying to literally take over the globe and exterminating 60 million people? Not killing, exterminating. The problem is the hypocrisy and the dangerous precedent that fascism sets in this country and for the rest of the world. These assholes complain about activist judges trying to interpret the constitution in their own ways (when that seems exactly like what bodybuilder judge Priscilla Owens has done in the past), even though this administration has blatantly desacrated the 1st, 4th and 5th, 6th and 8th amendments to their beloved constitution; in the case of Guantanamo prisoners, especially 5,6, and 8. There really is no debate there. If they are criminals and they are guilty of violent crimes, I want to know what is being accomplished by keeping them on some military base, in Cuba no less. They have failed to articulate that to the American people, ooooh, for three years running now. And even though allegations of abuse have been revealed by sources who have been present there, it is human rights groups like Amnesty International and the Red Cross (terrorists if I have ever seen any) that are irresponsible.

2:45 PM  
Blogger Jack Mercer said...

Shea, there's a difference between a moderate and a political moderate. (speaking in the case of our politicians). At least in a contemporary sense there is. Realistically today's game is about power brokering, and I think that's a little closer to the truth than the admirable traits you mention. Today's "moderate" politicians are not as noble as we think. (oh, and I was just making a little fun by my statement:)

I consider myself moderate in many things also, as a matter of fact, the great majority of Americans--Republicans, Democrats, etc., are moderates in a real sense. The error most people make is that they label someone extreme because of a belief they have. Extremes are not belief systems, but action systems. An example of a "right" extreme is a person who would kill an abortion doctor. An example of a "left" extreme is a person who would engage in enviro-terrorism. The problem today, Shea, is that we sling the terms "extreme", "right-wing", "left-wing", etc. around so much we have no idea what the terms really mean anymore. Examine the real meaning of extremism, and you will find that they are few and far between.

I think that if you and I were to sit down and chat, we would be more alike than care to admit. ha!

Will be back for additional comment.

-Jack

CH, add the 2nd Ammendment to that list also...

9:43 AM  

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