Moronic Design
It's official our President is a moron. Anyone that confused his stupidity with a steadfast resolve to stand behind his beliefs must now understand that his support of intelligent design puts him at odds with reality. Surely he can be impeached at this juncture for a lack of mental competency. What's intelligent about intelligent design? Nothing. It's predicated on either a god or aliens contributing to a non-evolutionary theory. It has absolutely no scientific basis and has no place being discussed as an education option in a progressive society.
On Tuesday a bunch of people handing out bananas in front of my train station were shouting the slogan, "Don't let evolution make a monkey out of you!". Huh? Yeah because as humans we are so fucking special there is no way we could be related to a monkey. It's time we got over ourselves. Scientists, believe it or not, have tried very hard to disprove Darwin's theories, and although there have been revisions and advances, the core principals of his work has stood the test of time. Meanwhile the bible with it's Adam and Eve crap is not accepted by anyone with half a brain. That of course excludes George Bush.
On Tuesday a bunch of people handing out bananas in front of my train station were shouting the slogan, "Don't let evolution make a monkey out of you!". Huh? Yeah because as humans we are so fucking special there is no way we could be related to a monkey. It's time we got over ourselves. Scientists, believe it or not, have tried very hard to disprove Darwin's theories, and although there have been revisions and advances, the core principals of his work has stood the test of time. Meanwhile the bible with it's Adam and Eve crap is not accepted by anyone with half a brain. That of course excludes George Bush.
posted by mochi at 6:20 PM
21 Comments:
Mochi,
Have you studied evolution or intelligent design?
-Jack
ABC News: Famous Atheist Now Believes in God
Mochi, you sound like a fundamentalist in this post. Kind of like the Catholics who tried to suppress science for centuries. What do you fear?
I have studied both. I've even read the bible. And you are right, the possibility of "intelligent design" being taught in schools does scare me.
Jack, religion is not science (yes, I too have studied both). They are separate subjects. To blur the distinction between them is bad for both. We don't need another Iran- or Afghanistan-style theocracy here. Teach science in school and religion in church, or in a theology class. What's wrong with that? It works better. Besides, dig this: most people who hear or read something about the teaching-intelligent-design-in-school issue probably think that "intelligent design" means their religion. Are they going to teach creation beliefs from the following (and I mean scroll through 'em all dude!):
Abrahamic religions (believers in One God, also called classical monotheism)
Babism
Bahá'í
Bahá'í Faith
Orthodox Bahá'í Faith
Islam
Ahmadiyya
Kharijites
Nation of Islam
Shiite
Alawites
Ismailis
Jafari
Zaiddiyah
Sunni
Berailvi
Deobandi
Hanafi
Hanbali
Maliki
Mu'tazili
Shafi'i
Wahhabi
Sufism
Bektashi
Zikri
Druzism
Judaism
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Karaite Judaism
Rabbinic Judaism
Orthodox Judaism
Haredi Judaism
Hassidic Judaism
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Humanistic Judaism
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Essenes
Pharisees
Sadducees
Zealots
Sicarii
Heretical sects that believed Jesus was a prophet:
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Elkasites
Nazarenes
Talmidis
Crypto-Jews
Marranos
Conversos
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Donmeh
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Oriental Orthodoxy (Monophysitism)
Nestorianism
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Waldensians
Mormonism
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Judeochristianity
Adventism
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Samaritans
Mandaeanists
Rastafarians
Black Hebrews
Dharmic religions (religions with a concept of Dharma, also major religions of historical India)
Hinduism (see also Contemporary Hindu movements)
Agama Hindu Dharma (Javanese Hinduism)
Shaivism
Shaktism
Smartism
Vaishnavism
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Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mission
Ayyavazhi
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Sikhism
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Zoroastrianism
Magus (see Three Wise Men)
Gnosticism
Basilidians
Bogomils
Borborites
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Ophites
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Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)
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Subud
Virus, The Church of
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Tantra
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Yoga
Bhakti
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Kabbalah Centre
Martinism
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Meditation
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Vaastu Shastra (Hinduism)
Witchcraft
Ritualism
Prayer
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Animal sacrifice
Human sacrifice
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Organizations promoting Ecumenism
Dances of Universal Peace
The Inter-Religious Organisation (IRO)
NOW: Anything less than full coverage defies the spirit of "no child left behind," right?
Shea, is this it? Surely you could have come up with a more comprehensive list.
Sorry... I'm a chronic under-achiever 8^)
PS, here is where I got the list: List of Religions
I still am planning to found "The Church of Shea" sometime in the future...
Oops, link not working? Another try... List of Religions
I have to say, one thing I have been most thankful for is having gone to a Jesuit high school. It sucked that it was all boys and my school was somewhat of a wise-ass breeding ground, that messed me up but Ive got better. Anyway, being a Jesuit high school, we had 4 years of religion required and 3 years of required science. Freshman year religion essentially taught us the foundation of the Jesuit tradition and instilled in us recognition of the value of service to commununity that would be required of us throughout our time there. Sophomore year was morality class. Junior year was entirely scripture and bible study and senior year was not religion as much as teaching us, again, about the value of being a man for others, the Jesuit motto, and to stress the value of service to community and being a good neighbor beyond our high school years. The three basic sciences were biology, chemistry and physics. If you wanted to take more science classes, you always could. What this education did though, was strike a balance between teaching 1) evolution theory (science) and 2) creationism/intelligent design (religion/supernatural). The genius behind this curriculum, I now realize, is that my teachers just taught and left their personal beliefs out of it. My biology teacher freshman year just lectured the class on what Darwin studied and theorized and junior year in Scripture class, we started with the Book of Genesis of course, and there were questions. Of course, we are going to be curious, ask for evidence, what is known, how could this be possible. A lot of it is unanswerable and unfathomable. Our teachers would answer the questions to the best of their abilities, but never got offended or confrontational about what a student asked or opined. What this did was let the student grow himself, think for himself, and formulate his own opinion; there was and still is no right answer it seems. I of course give more credence to science, just because the creation theory is more unfathomable than evolution theory; not to say that it is so incredible it is ridiculous; questions do indeed linger from both. I do not like uncertainty, it is the one thing I fear in life (Jack, there is my answer to the question you asked Mochi), but I have accepted the uncertainty of how we got here; I feel there is no choice. I sure would love to know how we came about, but Ive got other things, more concrete and tangible, that I must worry about in life.
This uncertainty has become the foundation of my agnosticism; I do not disrespect religion or shun it, but I just do not know, no one does I realize, and you cannot. It has not been proven, HOWEVER, it has not been disproven, and therein lies the mystery. I certainly do respect the message of religions, I disrespect people who abuse it.
So, should intelligent design be taught in public schools? I am not too thrilled by it, I think an extended teaching of creationism should be left to the religious institution. However, I do not see trouble with it at least being mentioned in a public school science class, just not taught or studied extensively. It is just too unfathomable of a subject on its own, and part of a subject that is not taught in public schools. Its out there, so it should be known, but things are fine as they are. For public schools, it would make a good fill in the blank question on an exam and that's that. There are plenty of places to go to learn both, and you don't need to be told to read something in school to pick it up on your own time and educate yourself. My question is, why do we have to make issue of something that is not an issue? I am not talking about how or what is taught, that of course is an issue; I am referring my question to WHERE it is taught.
"Nothing worth knowing can be taught."
-Oscar Wilde
2 minute penalty on chickenhawk for excessive semi-colon usage.
If you guys have truly studied intelligent design, then you know that the premise is not unscientific. Science is the study of cause and effect, and intelligent design injects the argument of organization and structure to what has otherwise been relegated to chance. The premise of science is the search for cause, and only bias, ignorance or fear would prohibit one from exploring all theories. (Yes, even the ET angle, Mochi).
Science used to be about questions, but our current generation of "scientists" have become as faith based and ideologically driven as any fundamentalist structure out there. A class of specialists who cannot even come close to rennaisance greats like Galileo and Newton.
Before one draws conclusions one should really study a premise or theory in debth. To say Darwinism was the answer is to identify one with the same religious zealotry we see in the Heaven's Gate cultists. It is theory, not fact, even though many lay people have embraced it as fact.
Just yesterday scientist have made new discoveries that disprove popular theory. For example, just recently a sea creature was discovered that no one knew existed that uses "red light" to attract prey. Whats interesting is that red light cannot be detected at that depth, so why does it use it? Science is young, and still ignorant of much. Hawking finally admits that the black hole theory is...well, full of holes. Einstein worked and reworked theories and made hypotheses that changed regularly.
The problem is, friends, is when we fear knowledge, any knowledge and try to censor or stifle it. The Catholic Church did this for centuries with scientists--now many scientist have become what so ardently fought them. Hitler burned books because he feared the knowledge they bring.
If you want more than an "internet knowledge" of the topic (and Mochi, when I ask if you have studied the discipline, I am not asking whether you went to a couple of internet sites and read people's opinion and disclaimers--I wanted to know if you have actually studied the topic on a detailed basis in a formalized setting with sufficient knowledge to render an unbiased opinion, or have you just poo-poo'd it because your peers do) then I suggest you watch "Unlocking the Mysteries of Life". It can be purchased online.
Here is one site: http://www.arn.org/arnproducts/videos/v026.htm
I watched this about a year ago, and it is very thought provoking.
After watching this, if you can note anything within this video that is unscientific, then I will gladly worship you as the omniscient NL gods you claim to be! (ha!) If you can't, then I think your mind is sufficiently open enough to educate yourself to a field that has vast possibilities.
-Jack
p.s. I have read all the material on the internet--much of it trying to demonize Dr. Behe--both pro and con. As I said, science's first premise is the search for cause and effect relationships, and until they can nail down the cause in the whole "why we're here" issue, then all theories must be explored no matter how absurd we think they are. This is good science. The other is religious ideology.
I have no issue with teaching "intelligent design", as long as it's done in a religion class. As much as you want to convince yourself it's based on scientific theory it isn't.
I'll view your video and comment.
You want me to buy this crap? What do you think I am, a Republican? Can I see it without making a donation to the NRA (KKK)?
Mochi,
That was the first site that popped up when I queried "Unlocking the Mysteries of Life". Do a google search and you may be able to find it elsewhere.
-Jack
Mochi,
That was the first site that popped up when I queried "Unlocking the Mysteries of Life". Do a google search and you may be able to find it elsewhere.
-Jack
Do you have it? Can you send it to me and I'll send it back to you? I'm interested in seeing it.
Jack, since you are suggesting material for review, here's one for you: try "The Future of an Illusion," by Sigmund Frued.
Also, I must point out, again, that science does not claim that there is no "God", it only attempts to discover the processes by which life developed. The only conflict is for the bible-literalists who insist that Genesis is to be accepted verbatim. Are you one of those, Jack?
Shea,
I'm one of those who refuses to embrace godhood and say that I know how it all started. That leaves me open to exploring all avenues. Methinks I have a broad mind...
-Jack
Mochi, drop me an email at jack@newssnipet.com and I will buy a copy and send it to you. Or, if you would rather, I wouldn't mind Pay Palling the funds to you...
Hey Jack, no need to buy me one, now I feel bad. I'll get it and watch.
No, Mochi, I don't mind sending one! I have one, but I use it for my class. It was me who suggested it and so I would like to get it to you--I'll be happy to have one sent to you, no problem! And you can pass it along to the rest of the NL's if they are interested in seeing it.
Just let me know.
Meanwhile the bible with it's Adam and Eve crap is not accepted by anyone with half a brain. That of course excludes George Bush.
Actually, it is accepted by many of history's greatest thinkers. Perhaps you're referring to a literal interpretation.
SheaNC, as for that list of monotheistic religions - what's the point? Christians believe that God has been revealing Himself since He created time. Just because many other societies have been able to grasp at least some form of the truth does not weaken Christianity. It actually strengthens it. One God is a Truth, known by peoples throughout time.
Chickenhawk, I think the Jesuit model is the absolute best model of education.
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